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2022.01.20 11:59 ZwnD Defining Dream Theater's epics, a better method than "+/-20 minutes long"
Hi all, these are somewhat just some random thoughts of mine, but I often see some discussion of what constitutes an "epic" in DT's discography, and a commonly thrown about metric is "is it longer than 20 minutes?". I'd like to propose that instead it should be thought about in terms of the song's place within the context of the album, and its length compared to the other songs on that same album. This is still mostly length-based, but could also consider where it sits emotionally/musically in the album, and its place on the tracklist. For example. could a 13 minute song on a album with 10 other 4/5 minute songs be considered an epic? I'd say it definitely could. But put that same song on Train of Thought or 6DOIT and it doesn't really fit as an epic.
Obviously there's still some subjectivity to it, but here's by list of DT's epics:
Images and Words:
The longest song is the album closer, with Learning to Live at 11:30. With Metropolis only being 1:58 shorter than it, and 2 other songs clocking in at less than 3 minutes shorter, I&W has no epic. I'm aware that Wait for Sleep acts as a bit of an intro, but to me they're distinct enough songs by themselves.
The longest song (Scarred) is 10:59, only 1:06 longer than Voices, so definitely not an epic. You could make an argument for the mind beside itself suite, but to me those songs are distinct enough to not make this list.
A Change of Seasons:
23:08, the only song on the EP. An epic, don't really see any disagreement here!
Falling into Infinity:
This is a bit tricky, as we have Trial of Tears (13:05) and Lines in the Sand (12:05) as significantly longer than the rest of the album, which are mostly 5/6 minute songs, and New Millenium at only 8:20. Its borderline but I'd call Trial of Tears an epic, as it closes out the album, and has 3 named movements. Lines in the Sand is just a long song.
Scenes from a Memory:
No epic here on the concept album. Home (12:53), Finally Free (11:59), and Beyond this Life (11:22) are all long, but don't really meet the criteria given the context of the album. You could make a case for Home, but I think it would be a stretch.
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence:
Easy one here. The title track, and disc 2 of the double album, is DT's longest epic at over 42 minutes. No epic on track 1. You could argue that the title track is all separate songs, but I don't think that's the band's intention.
Train of Thought:
Might be a bit controversial but I consider In the Name of God an epic. At 14:14 its almost 3 minutes longer than This Dying Soul (11:24), it closes the album out, and its a song with a very weighty and dramatic feel to it musically and lyrically.
About as much of an epic as its possible to be. Title track, 24 minutes (more than double Sacrificed Sons at 10:42), literally summarises all the other songs on the album, closes the album out. If you want an example of an epic, and how to fit it into an album, this is it.
Although split into 2, In the Presence of Enemies is definitely one song musically, and clocks in at 25:38, which is over 10 minutes more than The Ministry of Lost Souls at 14:57. ITPOE is certainly an epic, and Ministry is not. This is a good example to demonstrate my logic, as Ministry is a longer song than other songs I've named as epics, but based on its context within the album, it doesn't make the cut.
Black Clouds and Silver Linings:
Might be some disagreement here but I consider The Count of Tuscany (19:17) an epic, and A Nightmare to Remember (16:12) not an epic. Nightmare feels musically like a normal 10ish minute DT song, just with stretched out passages and longer instrumental interludes. TCOT feels more epic in its structure, and its lovably cheesy lyrics. TCOT was actually what made me think about this whole post, as I've seen a few polls of "what is your favourite 20+ minute DT song", with TCOT always feeling like it should be part of that club, but falling 43 seconds short.
A Dramatic Turn of Events:
No epic here. Breaking All Illusions (12:25) is joined by 3 other songs over 10 minutes, so doesn't really feel like one (as great as the track is). I know some people combine it with Far From Heaven (as you could do similar in I&W), but I think that's neither here nor there.
Illumination theory is the obvious epic. 22:15 if you count the bonus track, and there's not even another song that reaches 8 minutes on the album. It also has named movements, big orchestral pieces, and dramatic lyrics. Easy epic
Definitely no epic here. Lots of medium length songs, but nothing above A New Beginning (7:40), which is far too short to be an epic.
Distance over Time:
No epic again. At Wit's End and Pale Blue Dot certainly feel like the big tracks on the album, but are definitely not epics, both being under 10 minutes, and only 90ish seconds longer than other songs dotted around the album.
A View from the Top of the World:
Another clear cut one, with a 20:23 long title track which closes out the album, and feels like it brings together a lot of the lyrical and musical themes of the album as a whole. The second longest song Sleeping Giant is 10:17 shorter, so no competition there.
So there we have it! My moderately-well-thought-out list of DT epics. Please take this into consideration for your future weekly polls of "what's your fave DT epic?" which we pretend to not love, but really its the only reason we visit this subreddit.
In summary we've got 9 epics to forever enjoy:
A Change of Seasons - 1995 - 23:08
Trial of Tears - 1997 - 13:05
Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence - 2002 - 42:02
In the Name of God - 2003 - 14:14
Octavarium - 2005 - 24:00
In the Presence of Enemies - 2007 - 25:38
The Count of Tuscany - 2009 - 19:17
Illumination Theory - 2013 - 22:15
A View from the Top of the World - 2021 - 20:23
Interestingly the break from IT to AVFTTOTW (8 years) was the longest break between epics in DT's discography.
What's your personal ranking? It's like choosing between your favourite children, but I'd put my ranking at:
2022.01.20 11:59 SpinraGusevisolpEx Hot Nurse steals my heart and trashes it in Montford | WTHC
2022.01.20 11:59 Nietzschanarsehole You don't need to worry about the brain drain when it comes to right out of school teenagers and here's why!
Starting with defining my identity, well for one, I come from an upper middle class household, obviously in the Indian terms, my father has a government job and we make enough to afford to send two kids to an elite school, and go out every once in a while with family to eat at a nice place, meaning that my father saved enough for us to enjoy a decent luxurious lifestyle, have a good education and afford basic amenities like owning a car but yet not enough to be filthy rich, still have to take a loan for a house, haven't changed the car since the last 12 years and well....even though in a high ranking government position, 0 dirty money but still just enough to sustain something decent.
Like I said, I and my little sibling, we were both schooled at one of the top institutions in the country, and not merely because of influence, I got in because cleared an entrance exam for the school, my little sibling got in because well, am now an alumni, as for my father, he comes from nothing, dirt poor family on the paternal side, typical rural boy who studied under the streetlights in the 90s and made it big on some pretty hard to crack exams, and now lives well, maternal side, a lot more well to do but still at best only slightly upper middle class back in the 90s, and not too important but FYI both sides of the family are pretty progressive and abhore concepts like caste and hatred and whatnot, more like sane moderated liberalism despite their small town roots, anyway, seems...pretty normal right? It is, but this is not what I wanted to talk about, this was just me defining my identity because it's essential to talk about it since it is the very basis of the experience I'm about to shed a light on.
From the last 19 years of my life, from what I've experienced while being in this South Delhi upper class life, here's why I would stop worrying about the rich teenage snobs of the country leaving for US colleges en masse-
I have rich friends, a plenty of rich friends, and I'm talking about the "I come to school in a bentley" kind rich, "dad's net worth just tripled to 200cr" kind rich and here's what I've observed while going through both the college admission processes, for India and for the US, as a 19M who aced all the AP exams that I took, got a 1590 on the SAT with absolutely no prep, having done several highly regarded internships in the US and playing a sport competitively at the inter-state level and well, a medal on a really prestigious government Olympian and yet....I CHOSE to stay in India, go through the whole competitive exam process and instead trying to make it here when it'd been much much more convenient for me in the US or somewhere in Europe, and while most of my friends just kept ranting about how there was no future here and left after paying hefty to us colleges for even as low stuff as a liberal arts degree, and well their daddies paying in crores just to ensure them an entry, here's why as a country we shouldn't exactly worry about their departure-
2022.01.20 11:59 StolenBlackMesa Rotor or Fixed Wing for EMS/Medevac?
I've been looking into aviation as a career lately and have been very interested in MedEvac. I've seen that this industry often utilizes rotor and fixed wing aircrafts and it had me wondering, which aircraft would be most beneficial for a job like this? is there more job opportunity for one aircraft or another?
As much elaboration on the job in general would be very helpful as well, as I'm doing my best to learn more about this area of aviation
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2022.01.20 11:59 DeathStar07 When it's your bedtime and your planning something sinister for tmrw😃🤣
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2022.01.20 11:59 Chandan28 One big Xbox Family 💚
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2022.01.20 11:59 NotEnoughDriftwood Trudeau says government not planning new law to curb protests targeting politicians
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2022.01.20 11:59 Daidis Pruning the default VLAN from trunk links
My organization has been looking at the DoD STIGs and potential changes for implementation on our Cisco switches.
One of these changes, namely, SRG-NET-000512-L2S-000009, confuses me.
It calls for the pruning of VLAN 1 from trunk links that do not need it.
What exactly does this do?
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2022.01.20 11:59 Joefsh TIL Time Capsules are voted on to determine which appear in-game (SPOILERS)
There is a website where you can view time capsule candidates and vote on them. Once a submission receives enough votes, it will be randomly spawned into player's games. The website is: https://subnautica.unknownworlds.com/time-capsules.
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2022.01.20 11:59 JacoBee93 Pro scrims tonight! Tonight with Copter!
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2022.01.20 11:59 ivanleong8 UK to SG New Balance Shoe, Please Help!
Hi would appreciate it if someone can help me order this pair of shoes from New Balance 608v1 White for men UK size 10.5 (US 11). Thanks
I will cover the cost of shipping and all
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2022.01.20 11:59 kerk30 Upvote & Drop Wallet 🎊15 WL Spots 🎉
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2022.01.20 11:59 acidxoxo New era (f18)
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2022.01.20 11:59 snowdrone Name your small business with the private key of your cryptocurrency wallet
2022.01.20 11:59 nagoya5 FS (t1s 5s3) Tramways with multiple expansions (W) PayPal $135 CAD via PayPal
4.5 Game is opened but unplayed, expansions included are the industry, residence, grand station, tramways expansion, Adelaide/Shanghai map pack, Denver map pack. Asking price is about half of what was paid at retail
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2022.01.20 11:59 funwonderfun Romantic restaurants w/ outdoor seating + reservations
2022.01.20 11:59 bunnymemer69 A Theory....
Boruto prolly picks the obito route here like the village thinks he's dead and as a result naruto resigns from the 7th hokage post
but it turns out some otsutsuki version of Madara saved him
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2022.01.20 11:59 x4tun8x 2022 nba all stars: predict the roster
Its going to be another tight one. Nobody really knows who the coaches will choose (reserves). Starters are pretty much near set with fan voting to end in 9 days
Who do you got making the all star game? Who will be snubs this time around?
Guide/leading in votes https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nba/news/nba-all-star-voting-2022-how-it-works-leaders-results-end-date/43tfxjp3grkx1lhkv94nrrbbb
12 players for each conference
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2022.01.20 11:59 botanricecandy17 Thanks, I hate Spider-Man.
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2022.01.20 11:59 MoodMovieList Best Romance movies on Amazon Prime
| Best Romance movies on Amazon Prime|
The Big Sick(2017)
Portrait of a Lady on Fire(2019)
In the Heights(2021)
The Spectacular Now(2013)
Crazy, Stupid, Love.(2011)
Crazy Rich Asians(2018)
Love & Other Drugs(2010)
Knight and Day(2010)
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2022.01.20 11:59 Endura3 On set of Broke Back Mtn 2
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